The Septim MysteryTribute to Lore Sites TES Lore FAQ Camoran Usurper Theory Unsolved Mysteries of Oblivion Septim Mystery Nu-Mantia Intercept Mystery Creation Mystery TES Lore Thread List![]() Who is Tiber Septim really?
And what of the underking, that other mysterious figure?
To understand who Tiber Septim and the Underking are, two mysterious concepts must be understood, and, together, hold the answer Tiber Septim, The Oversoulsources: Arcturian HeresyTiber Setim is the name of a triumvirate
Quote (Karnath)
...............................TIBER SEPTIM: ..................................(mortal) ....................................Hjalti ................................./..........\ ..............Talos...../.......................\ ....................../................................\ ..............Wulfhart --------------------- Zurin Arctus (aspect of Lorkhan, Underking).........(incarnation of Magnus) ..................||.......................................|| ................Lunar -------------------------- Solar ...............................Enantiomorph ..................(=> Mantella & new Underking) Wulf = Wulfhart = an aspect of Tiber Septim (the oversoul of a triumvirate) Q.E.D Quote (Arcturian Heresy)
He goes directly to High Hrothgar to hear the Greybeards speak. When they do, Ysmir is blasted to ash again. He is not the chosen one. It is a warrior youth from High Rock. As the Grey Wind goes to find this boy, he hears the Greybeards' warning: remember the color of betrayal, King Wulfharth. Quote (Arcturian Heresy)
That night a storm came and visited Hjalti's camp. It spoke with him in his tent. At dawn, Hjalti went up to the gates, and the storm followed just above his head. Arrows could not penetrate the winds around him. He shouted down the walls of Old Hrol'dan, and his men poured in. After their victory, the Nords called Hjalti Talos, or Stormcrown. Quote (Karnath)
Talos is Hjalti with the Grey Wind, that is, the ghost of Wulfhart who was blasted to ashes by the Greybeards. As such, Talos is a dual entity, a man + the ghost of a nearly divine being (actually Wulfhart is only "one third" of a god), who lends the former his thu'um. Quote (Arcturian Heresy)
Zurin Arctus, the Grand Battlemage (not the Underking) Quote (Tamriel Gods)
Magnus (Magus) [...] Associated with Zurin Arctus, the Underking. Quote (Arcturian Heresy)
The Underking, Ysmir
The EntianomorphMagnus can't be associated with Wulfhart the Underking, because Wulfhart is as far from Magnus as any entity can ever be. Wulfhart is an aspect of Lorkhan, the Lunar God we can see at night who tricked the et'Ada into creating Mundus, and Magnus is the Solar God who flew the Creation and did everything he could to help other Aedra to travel back to Aetherium. Quote (Karnath)
Just like you had Anu, Padomay and the Void, there are now three ways in Mundus : Solar (Aedra, Mer, Magnus' magic), Lunar (Lorkhan, Man, Maruhkati and Mnemolic sorcery ...) and Oblivion. Quote (Skeleton Man Interview)
The second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and Talos. The Oversoul was known to the world as Tiber Septim They gave birth to their Mantella, this time an embodiment of the healing of the Man/Mer schism
Here we see Talos considered as an individual : until he met Zurin Arctus, Hjalti was allied to Wulfhart only and they got known as one person. But Hjalti has no part in the Enantiomorph, who is the association of two opposite entities. If the Mantella is to be an "embodiment of the healing of the Man/Mer schism", it has to be both solar and lunar. As you seem to know, it was created from the souls of the two men who died (< Only with their souls merged could the Enantiomorph be both Underking and Arctus, associated with Lorkhan and Magnus at the same time - and thus is he both named Zurin Arctus in some sources, and said to be a "rotting undead wizard who controls the skies", just like Wulfhart, in the Arcturian heresy. Enantiomorph = Wulf + Zurin = Mantella + (new) Underking. Note that before they were killed, Arctus and Wulfhart, though ennemies (the Battlemage was the one who suggested to trap Wulfhart, just as Lorkhan deceived Magnus and the other Aedra a few eons before), were both involved in the triumvirate - at least until Wulf quit, leaving Hjalti without his thu'um, thus the whole attempted assassination thingie. The "Oversoul" Tiber Septim from the Skeleton Man interview may mean that the three of their souls were recorded in the Amulet of King as one entity - thus the real almost-godlike nature of Tiber Septim, whose soul was made from two incarnations and one prophesied hero. Doesn't make Hjalti anything more than a simple mortal, though. What happened when the Triumvirate broke?Quote (Arcturian Heresy)
The Numidium, while not the god Tiber Septim and the Dwemer hoped for (the Underking was not exactly Lorkhan, after all), it does the job. After its work on Summerset Isle a new threat appears -- a rotting undead wizard who controls the skies. He blows the Numidium apart. But it pounds him into the ground with its last flailings, leaving only a black splotch. The Mantella falls into the sea, seemingly forever.
Meanwhile, Tiber Septim crowns himself the First Emperor of Tamriel. He lives until he is 108, the richest man in history Hjalti keeps the name Tiber Septim for himself, and goes on with his reign and the rest of his life like a mere mortal which he was, without the Numidium - while the composite Underking, depicted here as a "rotting undead wizard" (and probably the only "living" being able to do such a thing as to stop the Numidium controlled by his own soul) loses his dear Mantella. The events of Daggerfall happen 400 years later, under the reign of Uriel Septim VII, when the Numidium and Mantella are found again, and the Underking finally manages to get his rotting hands on the latter. Quote (Karnath)
During these four centuries, however, the Underking wasn't quite idle: Quote (Tamriel History)
Tiber Septim is succeeded by his grandson, Pelagius I. Pelagius is just not of the same caliber. In truth, he's a little nervous with all these provinces. Then an advisor shows up.
"I was friends with your grandfather," the Underking says, "He sent me to help you run the Empire." After the Daggerfall events, the soul of the underking is freed, and the triumvirate could, in theory, reincarnate. |